QUOTE(bam45 @ Aug 29 2008, 01:32 PM)

ah alright thx for the info
I then used Mailuserid/mailuserpassword for my
gmail account and my host as gmail, that also didn't work.
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287Standard instructions:
Enable POP in Gmail. Don't forget to click Save Changes when you're done.
Configure your client to match the settings below: Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com
Use SSL: Yes
Port: 995
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication)
Use Authentication: Yes
Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL)
Port: 465 or 587
Account Name: your full email address (including @gmail.com or @your_domain.com)
Email Address: your email address (username@gmail.com or username@your_domain.com)
Password: your Gmail password
Unless you're using recent mode to download mail to multiple clients, make sure you've opted not to leave messages on the server. Your Gmail settings determine whether or not messages stay on the server, so this setting in your client won't affect how Gmail handles your mail.
Please note that if your client does not support SMTP authentication, you won't be able to send mail through your client using your Gmail address.
Also, if you're having trouble sending mail but you've confirmed that encyrption is active for SMTP in your mail client, try to configure your SMTP server on a different port: 465 or 587.
You're now ready to use POP with your Gmail address.
Another service that doesn't require SSL/TSL..