Full Version: 3rd party task force
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| Policy In October we will be forming a special task force to concentrate solely on locating those players violating the user's agreement. This team will be separate from the GMs and will work directly with the development team. Since we realize it is often difficult to convict a player based on in-game evidence alone, we will continue to search for new ways to prove someone has been involved in restricted activities. We promise that we will continue to work diligently to rid Vana’diel of all players using illegal tools and plug-ins. |
As Atti said
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| Client-side detection FTW~! |
At least that's what it sounds like they are threatening, we'll see how serious they are about it in the coming months.
lol It's gonna end up like WoW and we will have to make other scripts to hide our programs from them ^.^"
except you can't do it with scripts (at least ACTool)
One simple word.. well.. acronym.
Lol.
Lol.
| QUOTE (wiccaan @ Oct 4 2006, 01:08 PM) |
| One simple word.. well.. acronym. Lol. |
Also punctuation.
hmm I wonder what exactly they plan on doing. If they're just checking for known applications or processes from the process list, just changing the app name seems like it would be enough.
| QUOTE (segfault @ Oct 7 2006, 06:43 AM) |
| hmm I wonder what exactly they plan on doing. If they're just checking for known applications or processes from the process list, just changing the app name seems like it would be enough. |
There are diffrent methods to obtain info from a process without knowing the Window name. The basic programs which all broke when SE added the changing window name used the API, "FindWindow". Which is a very old, now noobish, way of hacking a game.
I'm not too worried. Redirecting standard input doesn't seem like a property that can really be a flag.
| QUOTE (wiccaan @ Oct 11 2006, 06:20 PM) | ||
There are diffrent methods to obtain info from a process without knowing the Window name. The basic programs which all broke when SE added the changing window name used the API, "FindWindow". Which is a very old, now noobish, way of hacking a game. |
I wouldn't say that using FindWindow is noobish, wiccaan. Its a viable solution that is generally far, far easier than any other method.
My opinion/inferences on the upcoming anti-cheat measures:
I fear that if SE hired an able and knowledgeable group of programmers, that they would be able to create something like PunkBuster, WardenClient, or another cheat-detection method. While these programs can be circumvented as well, it becomes increasingly hard (though not impossible) to distribute public programs, because the anti-cheat devs will update their code accordingly (see WoW!Sharp).
Things that hook so deeply into FFXi, such as windower, are very susceptable to being detected by said anti-cheat programs. The windower devs can, of course, update windower to circumvent the detection, and a pattern will appear in which both programs will evolve until one side gives up (pretty much always the hacker). Vicious cycle.
I'd almost like to see SE put up a fight, it would force me to learn a lot of new material, while still being in a familiar domain.
Umm in order to detect something running in your computer...
They need to access your pc witouth your consent?
ITs that LEGAL?
They need to access your pc witouth your consent?
ITs that LEGAL?
Two points:
1) It is legal as long as they say they will be doing it in the terms and conditions that you have to accept every time you log onto ffxi.
2) There are many ways they could detect most third party tools without needing to be invasive and change the T&C. All they would have to do is start monitoring server side for certain things that they have not been monitoring for in the past(at least prior to the mass bann sprees that is).
1) It is legal as long as they say they will be doing it in the terms and conditions that you have to accept every time you log onto ffxi.
2) There are many ways they could detect most third party tools without needing to be invasive and change the T&C. All they would have to do is start monitoring server side for certain things that they have not been monitoring for in the past(at least prior to the mass bann sprees that is).
Umm yea and probably they will change the T&C cuz nobody read it, till it get suspended.
Well so to my knowledge only homebrew applications will be undetectable cuz public ones will be on the eyes of this taskforce...
Well so to my knowledge only homebrew applications will be undetectable cuz public ones will be on the eyes of this taskforce...
Homebrew might be slightly safer but it depends on how they approach stopping 3rd pt tools. If they try to look for specific applications running or something like that then homebrew is relatively safe and public high risk. But if they instead are looking for symptoms of use or tell tale signs of how the hacks/bots work then both are equally unsafe because they would be flagging the way something is done instead of who(program) is doing it.
Well lets wait and see hehe worst thing could happen, i quit or i get banned.
| QUOTE (sean1976 @ Oct 26 2006, 03:54 PM) |
| Homebrew might be slightly safer but it depends on how they approach stopping 3rd pt tools. If they try to look for specific applications running or something like that then homebrew is relatively safe and public high risk. But if they instead are looking for symptoms of use or tell tale signs of how the hacks/bots work then both are equally unsafe because they would be flagging the way something is done instead of who(program) is doing it. |
They're going to do what everyone else does, if not worse, and it will fail.
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